"Becoming Her: The Proverbs 31 Woman

In this heart-centered episode of Unrelated Sisters: Truth & Grace Conversation, Shannon and Deborah explore what it truly means to be a Proverbs 31 woman in every season of life—whether you're a wife, single mom, divorced, recovering, single, young, or seasoned in age. This isn't about perfection. It's about progress, purpose, and God's presence in our daily walk.

Join us as we break down Proverbs 31 through the lens of real-life women today, offering encouragement, Scripture, and prayer for each stage of the journey. No matter where you are—raising babies, healing from heartbreak, building a business, or learning who you are—God calls you worthy, strong, and full of purpose.

• Proverbs 31:11–12 — "Her husband has full confidence in her... she brings him good, not harm."
• Ephesians 5:22–25 (mutual submission in marriage)
• Colossians 3:14 (love binds all together in unity)
• Proverbs 31:15–17 — “She gets up while it is still night... sets about her work vigorously.”
• Isaiah 40:11 (He gently leads those with young)
• Psalm 68:5 (God is a Father to the fatherless)
• Proverbs 31:25 — "She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come."
• Joel 2:25 (He restores what the locusts have eaten)
• Psalm 34:18 (God is close to the brokenhearted)
• Proverbs 31:26 — "She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue."
• Romans 8:1 (No condemnation for those in Christ)
• 2 Corinthians 12:9 (His power is made perfect in weakness)
• Proverbs 31:20 — “She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy.”
• 1 Corinthians 7:34 (undivided devotion to the Lord)
• Psalm 37:4 (Delight in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart)
• Proverbs 31:26 — “She speaks with wisdom…”
• Titus 2:3–5 (older women teaching younger women)
• Psalm 92:14 (They will still bear fruit in old age)
• Proverbs 31:18 — “She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night.”
• 1 Timothy 4:12 (Don’t let anyone look down on you for your youth)
• Proverbs 3:5–6 (Trust in the Lord with all your heart)
• No matter your season, you are seen and called by God.
• The Proverbs 31 woman isn’t one perfect woman—it’s a collection of godly virtues we grow into.

• Progress over perfection. God completes what He starts.
• No matter your season, you are seen and called by God.
• The Proverbs 31 woman isn’t one perfect woman—it’s a collection of godly virtues we grow into.

 Prayer 

“Lord, thank You for every woman listening today—for the wife, the mother, the single woman, the recovering heart, the divorced sister, the young girl, the seasoned soul. Let Your Spirit rest on them. Remind them they are clothed in strength and dignity, no matter their season. Help us grow into the woman You’ve designed us to be. In Jesus’ name, amen.”

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Transcript

Speaker 00: 0:00

Dear Lord, we come to you today and we thank you for your presence and we thank you for the opportunity to have this podcast and to speak your presence and your grace out into the world. Lord Jesus, we want to thank you for the opportunity to pour into women and men. We want to thank you for giving us a word. We want to pray that you Tell us what to say and that they hear that you are your presence is with us Lord Jesus We pray that today as we talk about the Proverbs 31 woman that That you lead us and you got us into this conversation We praise you and we give you all the glory in Jesus name. We pray. Amen Welcome back ladies, this is unrelated sisters truth and grace conversation and I'm Shannon and

Speaker 03: 0:56

I'm Deb. I'm Kena.

Speaker 00: 0:58

And today we are diving deep into the Proverbs 31 woman in every season of life. Proverbs 31. So becoming her, the Proverbs 31 in every season, you know, and talking about it. Proverbs 31 is often misunderstood, right? People take it as a perfection instead of a poem of potential, right? So Proverbs 31 is what you want to strive to be, I feel like, where you want to strive to get to, an example, right? And when you're doing that, you're not going to always be perfect, right? You're not going to always follow the way it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be a checklist. It's not supposed to be, well, I'm this woman during this season of life and I'm this woman during this season of life. Because we all come from different places. We are all in different seasons. And the way that I see something or the way that God convicts my heart for it may not be the way Or the season that he's convicted your heart in. And I believe Proverbs 31 woman is the perfect example of that. You know, the key verse is charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting. But a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. Proverbs 31 30. Right. That is the first verse. But you skip, right? Sometimes when men talk about Proverbs 31, they skip the first few verses of Proverbs 31, right? They want to skip down to the part of the woman saying, Instead of leading up to how we got there, right? Because it's about a mother talking to her son, you know, and it's about her wanting him to have. the perfect wife. I mean, when you have children, you want them to do better than you did. You want them to have better than you did. And that's all she wanted, right? She wanted her, her son to have a woman that was going to love him and respect him and, you know, give him the things that he needs and in the same, him do her the same way. And, but they don't want to talk about that part, right? They want to talk about the part of where she's, going to do this and she's going to do that. She's going to be this and she's going to be that. So. I want

Speaker 03: 3:43

to chime in on the first part where it talks about the married woman. I think I do this one kind of well. This round. You know, this is my fifth marriage. Praise God. Advice marriage. Proverbs 31, 11 through 12 says, Her husband has full confidence in her. She brings him good and not harm. I can confidently and proudly say I do this today. I've not always been that way, you know, in my past. But these last four years, I take pride in that, that I'm loyal to my husband, that he don't have to worry about me. Yes. And that's one of the things that he's like, man, I'm so glad that we have issues. But I'm glad that's not an issue we have that I have to worry about. you know, checking up on you or wondering what you're doing. You know, it's encouragement. I think I do that well. That's one of the things the Lord has actually helped me with is I try to do that almost every day. Encourage him because, you know, men go through a lot. They go through a lot of stuff that they don't talk about. And I think that as a wife, that's one of the things that we should be intentional about about is encouraging our husbands and supporting them and loving them. Because I don't do the gourmet meals. I don't do the cooking. And he's okay with that. But I do love him and I do encourage him for just how he is. And he loves me just for how I am. And I think that... My mom was a good example of the Proverbs 31 woman. And so I had that growing up. I definitely have not been that. I was like a really bad wife all the marriages. And so I love today that I can be that for my husband in this season. And I don't have to... perform like we talked about on the last episode. I can, man, he gets to see the ugly me. When I say ugly me, the raw, real, the world. He says that sometimes. He's like, I'm glad I get to see this part of you that the world don't get to see in the mornings. That's a perspective. He said, I'm glad I get to see that.

Speaker 00: 6:09

Well, God sees your efforts, first of all, to love and to support your husband. And I've not ever been married. This is my first marriage. But I was engaged twice. I planned two full weddings. Almost got married. Almost got married a couple of times and then would be convicted and ended up being the runway bride. Both times, actually. But it's because I knew... That that wasn't where I was supposed to be at the moment because I was so broken. Right. And I remember even though my parents got divorced when I was 10 and my daddy fell from grace, I can remember as a kid, a younger kid, listening to my mom, I pray it not. You know, my daddy was a traveling evangelist and he did tent revivals. And My mama didn't work. She was a stay-at-home mom. And I remember hearing her pray, you know, God, you know, I need grocery money. You know, I need to buy some potatoes and some beans. You know, let your will be done. You know, and then wake up the next morning and somebody that had heard my daddy preach the night before mailed a check for the exact amount that she needed to go pick up what she needed or to pay the electric bill or to pay the rent. And she's not like she called. It's not like when he called, she told him. Right. She didn't say, Dean, you know, we're struggling this month. I need blah, blah, blah. You know, she just prayed about it. And I can remember hearing that. And now that I'm in my faith, you know, I'm like, why can't I? That was hard for me. It was hard for me to pray and ask and believe that God was going to give it to me when I first started. I wanted to take care of myself because I was mad at Him. We've talked about it. I stayed mad at Him a lot. But to be the wife and to be the wife to God, not just to your husband, but to be the wife to God, to be the daughter that he wants you to be, you have to be able to pray in support and love.

Speaker 03: 8:26

And unity, be in unity. I think me and Kevin's more in unity today than we've ever been. And God, you know, the enemy is always out to seek your, to destroy your marriage. And so when you're aware of that and you know his tactics, you can, I'm like, no, I'm going to love on him a little extra today, or I'm going to take that extra intentional. And this is one thing that I've really, really been working on these past few months is being this woman to my husband and keeping God at the center. That's what it is to me. The whole difference. Keeping God at the center.

Speaker 02: 9:04

I'm on trauma in here. So you asked me, you said a month ago, it may have been that long, to come and do a podcast. And then, what was it, two weeks ago that you had asked? And you said that it was on Proverbs 31. And there was a part of me that got excited. Because I know these scriptures. I studied this early on because I desired marriage so much. And I was like, you know, for years, years, you know, praying, praying, praying, wanting a husband. And there was a revelation back then, though, back in 2012. I had never been married to an earthly man, but I became a bride in 2012. So the word applies to all of us. Technically, I'll go off the side here a little bit, the context in which this is written is for any believer. So I got excited, and then you actually texted me with a date. And I was like, God, no, you didn't tell me the topic at first. And then you texted me with the date and told me what the topic was. And I was like, Oh God, cause this is an area I've been failing in a lot, you know? And, um, as the bride to Christ and bride to my husband and, um, I was like, you know how you'll just scroll down, look at the message, but not open it so it's not shown that it's seen? I did that. And I was actually getting ready for church. And I was getting ready. And on the way to church, I'm sitting there and I'm reading over Proverbs 31. I'm asking God, I'm like, why are you wanting... I know you want me to go and do a podcast. I know you want me at some point. He had already planted that when I was listening to y'all early on. And so I knew, but again, I didn't know if it was the timing. But... I was not even telling, I'm riding in the car and my husband's driving. I'm sitting over there reading, trying to read through the scripture before I lose phone service. And I'm not telling him because I knew I would be held accountable. Like once I tell him, hey, they asked me to come and do this. You know, he's going to be all for it and like support and encourage. And, you know, he wants that for me. Yeah. So I immediately got convicted because I wasn't telling him. I'm sitting there reading this, and your husband trusts in you. Oh, I'm not even being honest with him in this moment. Like, I should be telling him, but I didn't want that calendar. I do this with God. I do this with God. But... So I repented right there. I put my phone down, and I told him about it. I

Speaker 01: 11:49

was like,

Speaker 02: 11:50

okay, whatever, Lord, whatever you want me to do. And then I was talking to my husband, and I said, I don't know why God wants me to talk on this because I'm like not hardly any of that right now. And he said, it's okay, baby. He was like, talk about what you are and where you are. And I was like, okay. He's so loving. He has been so loving lately. But anyways, so I'm writing. And again, I think I ended up texting you later on. I was like, yes, I'll do it. But I'm reading it and I'm like, God, why would you have me do this? I was like, why? I'm not these things. I'm not this. I'm not that. I'm not this. I'm not that. And he said, did I say that to you? Literally heard that. And I was like, No, I'm saying that about myself. And then I was like, okay. So I put the word away for a little bit. I prayed in it for that. And then when I got back into it and started reading the scriptures, this time I didn't look at all the works and the things and having to be this and having to be that. You know, this is literally like you just said earlier. This is a mother speaking to her son, who's a king. So she may even be worried about his reputation. But as a mom, I can say, I can give you a whole list of the type of wife I want for my son, but I've never put in there. She might struggle with an addiction here and there. She might, you know, fall away for some time. She might go through a dry season. She might not perform in this area. And then I was also, he showed me where I was reading it as if I'm supposed to be doing all this stuff perfectly every single day. And I'm like, oh. But then he shed a new light. So I started reading through the actual scripture, slowing down, processing. And I started seeing... how it's not necessarily about the things. It's, again, hard posture. You know, like, she walks in... purity. She's prudent. She plans. She stewards well, whatever God gives, no matter how little it is. You know, I'm sure, you know, it talks about what she goes through before she even buys the vineyard. So, you know, she started with something small, but she was consistent. And let me tell you, the past few days have been nothing but repentance for me. I've laid in the bathtub crying, talking to God, like, you know, and realizing how much religion I still have that I thought I was completely free from. And, um, I don't know. It's just been revealing a lot through the, just these scriptures. I'm very, very grateful for you. I'm not, I'm not naked. At least you're good. Yeah. Cause I mean, you know, I prayed for the life I have today. I prayed for this and I'm not stewarding it well, you know? And, um, you're learning. Yeah, I am. I am. And, uh, It's been very exposing. Marriage for me, we're about to hit two years. And everybody always asks this in the beginning. So how's the honeymoon phase? How's it going? I'm like, we haven't had that yet. I guess ours is coming later. But I always said, you know, it ain't Hallmark because it's not, you know. But it's been so exposing. And I'm like, well, King Lemuel or whatever his name is, his mama didn't say anything about any of this stuff.

Unknown: 15:18

Right.

Speaker 02: 15:18

But it is a process.

Speaker 00: 15:21

Well, and to talk about that, right? So me and Jeremy didn't go through a honeymoon phase either. And I think it's because when we were older in life, right? Like he was 35 when we got married, you know, and I was almost 40. You know, we're five years apart and we were older in life. So when we went to... counseling with our pastor before he would marry us, you know, he was counseling other couples at the same time. And he would be like, okay, so what'd y'all argue about this week? And we're like, nothing. And he's like, that's not right. Like, young couples argue, right? People that are, you know, and he said, you know, and he said, well, he said, he goes, you know, the people that just left, like, she was mad at him because he put the toilet paper on the thing wrong, right? And I'm like, and I'm like, what? I don't understand that. Like, I don't understand that, right? Like, I don't care how the toilet paper's on the roll, you know? Well, but Jeremy cares, right? Jeremy cares on how you put it on there he should be happy that i just put it on there right because for a long time after we first got married i just said it on top because he would whine about how i put it on there and i'm like i'm not doing that i'm not fighting over there that's stupid like after all the stuff that i've been through i'm not fighting over the way the toilet paper goes on the roll i'm just not i'm not doing that you know and we went through a season So I smoked when we got married. I smoked cigarettes when we got married. And he hated it. Oh, my God. And I'm like, dude, I was smoking when you started dating me. I was smoking when you proposed to me. It's not like this is something new, right? I smoked cigarettes. I mean, I smoked two packs a day. I mean, it's not like this was new. And he just kept on and kept on and kept on. And so then I got to a point where I didn't smoke at home, but I smoked at work. I didn't lie. I didn't tell him I quit smoking. But I could still tell. And we would fight over that. Right? And I would be like, whatever. But now we don't... I forgot where I was going with this, by the way. But... But I feel like it's because we were older. Like we didn't go through a honeymoon. We were already set in our ways. We were already older. Single

Speaker 02: 17:51

for a long

Speaker 00: 17:51

time. Yes. Because like my sister and her husband, they've been married 25 years. And they still do it. When you see them in public, you think they're newly married. They hold hands. They whisper to each other. They still act that way. And they've acted that way since day one. I used to be like, God, that's so gross.

Speaker 02: 18:12

I want it so bad. I

Speaker 00: 18:16

do. I do. I can't hear you. I used to be like, oh, my God. But now that I'm with Jeremy and I have that true love, Like, I wanted to, right? Like, I wanted to. You know, I hold his hand. I walk beside him. I don't walk in front of him. And I've always been the leader, so I've always walked in front of them. I've never, you know, and I don't do it to do it. It's just how it is, right? It's one of those things, like we talked about on the other episode, that for the first time in my life, I feel safe, right? And I feel protected. And I feel loved. Whereat I never had that before. Not true safety. Not true protection. Yeah, you know, and stuff like that. So you don't deserve you don't serve your husband because he's perfect. You serve God through how you love. That's pretty deep, right? Like, You know, I've heard a lot lately about how we're supposed to be the hands and feet of Jesus and how we're supposed to love on people and love where they're at and stuff like that. And I do it really well to people outside in the world. I don't do it so good when I come home because I'm tired. I've already loved all I wanted today. Right. You know, I don't always I don't always do that. the things right like uh i don't clean my kit like this morning i had to get up and clean the kitchen because y'all were coming over he had two days worth of dirty dishes in the in the sink you know and he hates that and i know he hates it and i have a dishwasher and some days i just don't do it you know and i don't know you know it's, this has been one of those for me too. Like just, I'm like, as far as being the married woman, cause it's been hard for me. Right. Like in some parts of it, it's really, really easy. And then some parts, and we talked, I talked about this in an episode before. I'm not, I don't intentionally thank him for things. Right. But he don't, he don't intentionally thank me for things either. Right. Like, his table where he sits you know it's not an elf that cleans it off every day and wipes it down it's not an elf that washes his blue jeans and presses them and hangs them up and I iron and I hate it like if I could figure out a way to get a robot to iron for me I would You know, but it's one of those things that, you know, but first thing y'all say when y'all come up, the yard's beautiful. Well, he works really hard at making that yard beautiful. You know, it's not... I know, right? And I have been. I have been lately. But that was hard for me. And then I don't feel like he tells me thank you either, right?

Speaker 03: 21:20

Kevin asked me last time. He was like, I didn't say anything. He's like, does the yard look good? I know. Did I do a good job? And I'm like, yeah. Right then I thought, I need to make sure I'm telling him those things. So the next time I'm like, does the yard look good? You know what I'm saying? Because me, I need that. Yeah.

Speaker 00: 21:40

They do. And, you know, and it's hard. It's hard. I'm not used to that. Right. Like, so it's it's been hard and I've been getting better because he like, you know, he mows the grass and straps like you see on these fancy houses and things like that. You know, I didn't realize that there was difference in grass, but there is. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. I'm being serious. You know, you're his partner. Yeah. Not his perfection. If we were perfect at being a wife or perfect at being a daughter of God, then we would be God. I mean, let's just be honest about it. Proverbs 31, 15 through 17 says, She gets up while it is still not. Sets about her work vigorously. That is every mother. Whether you're single, whether you're married, whether you're old or young, you keep your house in order. And sometimes you're doing the job of two. When you're single, and I was single for a long time with mine, it's hard. It's hard to take care of them physically and still be present.

Unknown: 23:07

Right.

Speaker 00: 23:07

And I did not do that well when I was a single mother. I did not do that well. I took care of him, but I was not present. And we've talked about this a lot in other episodes, and we've even had people be like, I understand. Emotionally, he's Nana. Yeah. is his person, right? And physically, I'm his person. And I had to be okay with that. I

Speaker 03: 23:41

like this next segment where it talks about the divorced woman. I've been that a few times, but not really because it talks about the divorced woman. I like where it says healing doesn't disqualify you because I think even as a wife, from mom, whoever, whatever season of life you're in. I think there's always some kind of something you're yelling from or something. It's not forever. That you're going through. Proverbs 31, 25 says, She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs at the days to come. I love that. I actually share that verse with you. Probably about a month ago. No, maybe a couple weeks ago when I was going through that at work. This scripture literally came to me, and I posted that. Because you know what? I don't have to be defined by my past or the things that I've been through. I think a lot of times we think we're disqualified from things. But no, where you're at, you can just know that you have a future. No matter what season, if you're married, divorced, single, wherever you're at, Your past don't destroy a few of your worth. You're still called. You're still valuable. Even though people might see you as a failure, God sees you as faith in progress. And when you can say, you know what? I'm going to get through this. That's what I was thinking when I posted that two weeks ago. You know what? I'm clothed because I have integrity today. And I know that the struggle that I was going through at work, I was like, I know that I was in the right and doing the right thing. So I can boldly say that, you know, I'm going to get through this. And that's just where I was at in that season.

Unknown: 25:15

Yeah.

Speaker 03: 25:16

I love that woman.

Speaker 02: 25:19

I stood

Speaker 03: 25:19

on

Speaker 02: 25:20

business.

Speaker 00: 25:20

Well, you know, in all honesty, that's where this podcast came from. You posted that verse and it slapped me in the face. Like it was just, I was like, what? And that's when I started diving into Proverbs 31. You know, I don't know that I've ever heard the story. You know, I don't know. And I'm sure I did in church. Right. But that's not one of those stories. It's not like Noah's Ark or, you know, or the woman at the well or, you know, the birth of Jesus. Like, I know those stories. But this story here, I don't know if it's because I was a kid when I was in church, but this story here, I guess, never resonated with me if I've heard it. But you posted that verse and I thought, huh. And so I Googled it because Google is my best friend. And And then I pulled it up in the Bible and I read it. And then I was like, huh. And I read the verse before it. And then I read the verse, you know, so I read it backwards. First of all, like I didn't even read it from beginning to end. I started with 3125 and read my way up. And I thought, huh. So then I started, you know, I started digging into it and I started, you know, reading. I like to Google things because I like to have other people's perspectives on things. And I come across another podcast where a lady was talking about Proverbs 31 woman. And her perspective on it was that just because it says in the Bible that you're supposed to do this, this, this, and this, that if you read, because she says no one ever reads the first part of it, right? Where it's a mother talking to her son, giving him something. what she wants for him, telling him what she wants for him. And then it's taken out of perspective in religion that this is how the perfect wife is supposed to be. And that's not what it was ever meant to be. Because if, again, if we're perfect, then we're Jesus. Because that's the only way to be perfect, is to be Jesus. One

Speaker 03: 27:26

thing that comes out of this verse, she is clothed with strength and dignity. When you clothe something, you actually put it on. Just to say, so I envision that. I'm going to put on strength today. I'm going to put on dignity. But sometimes that requires taking something on. Yeah. You know what I mean? This garment of sorrow and what I've been wandering in for two days. Grave clothes. Yeah, and grave clothes. I'm going to clothe myself with strength and dignity, which comes from the Lord. And I'm going to laugh without fear of the future.

Speaker 02: 28:03

Yeah, no fear because it's perfect love. Yeah. So

Speaker 03: 28:06

when you're close, there's a confidence. So you got to wear it. You have to wear it. And that's hard. Yeah, especially when you're going through trauma. It's hard to wear because you're like, because your mind will trickle. But once you can get it on, You get them clothes on, like you're saying, get all them great clothes. Death's stinking clothes. Get some good clothes.

Speaker 02: 28:31

Well, I always heard Proverbs 31. I heard it early on. I wasn't raised in church. I actually never even read in the Bible until after I'd heard the gospel and was born again. But I remember I kept hearing people preach on it, and it was always in or through like a condemning, lens you know but then i do remember like at one point early i'm talking baby baby baby i'm still a baby but baby baby christian i remember like reading and i got to ephesians it was like oh we all supposed to be ephesians five so let's talk about that yeah i like rough and flip feather still sometimes what's ephesians

Speaker 00: 29:18

what's ephesians five say

Speaker 02: 29:19

Oh, I don't have it pulled up.

Speaker 00: 29:22

Pull it up. Pull it up. Let's ruffle some feathers. That's what we do here.

Speaker 02: 29:26

That's not what this

Speaker 03: 29:29

is about. So while she's pulling that up, I'm going to tell you, when my dad preached, he sometimes on Mother's Day, I remember him preaching on Proverbs 31 on Mother's Day, and he would talk about my grandmother, and he always talked about how he can't remember that night it was storming, and she would gather all the kids together, with her, like she was his safe place. Oh, yeah. And it's something he would cry talking about, you know, because to him, she was that. Right. You know what I mean? And I guess everybody has a different perspective of, I think, of Proverbs 31, well then, what's Ephesians 5 say?

Speaker 02: 30:11

Ephesians 5, I mean, there's a couple different chapters in it. But in 22, it starts talking about wives and husbands. I really don't want to get off topic. But in it, it starts out with, this is where submission comes in. And that submission... goes both ways, right? So that was another thing that I dealt with early on. It was always the woman needs to be Proverbs 31 and she needs to submit to her husband. Well, then if you keep reading right past that, husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her to make her holy, cleansing her with the washing of the water by the word. He did this to present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or anything like that, but Now, I mean, it keeps going on, but I mean, that's pretty heavy. I mean, that's a heavy thing. You're totally giving up everything, right?

Speaker 00: 31:22

But in all honesty, though, you do, right? And that's one of the things, you know... Submission like that was that. I mean, 10 years ago, do you think I would have ever submitted to my husband? I don't argue with him. We sit, we discuss and what he says goes on our finances, on any big purchase that we have. When I started the podcast, you know, I have just as much access to the bank account as he does. But before I went to him with it, I prayed about it. I did my own research on it. Right. Like what I needed to get started. What I, you know, because I don't do that. Right. Every time when he buys me a new car, he wants me to pick one out. I pick it out based on color, based on the way it looks. Right. And he wants to research it. He wants to research it, you know, on its safety and its gas and all the things or whatever. Right. But not me. That's how I knew that this podcast was meant to be. Because before going to him, because it was going to cost a significant amount of money to buy the equipment and to get started. And before going to him, I wanted to know that that was something I wanted to do. I wanted to know that that was something that God was telling me to do. And I wanted to know that it was something that I was going to do. Because when things get hard, I usually just quit. Like, I don't want to deal with it. Right. And that's something that I'm realizing through this podcast, because the last month has been hard. It's been hard to get together. It's been hard to, you know, and I've had to come up with other avenues. I've done a And, you know, every time I do one by myself, I think I hear the enemy in my head saying, see, you're stuck by yourself. There you are again. You know, nobody else cares, which I know is not true. And, you know, and I know it's, you know, but the last, the one I just did, right, I did it Thursday night. I did it Thursday night and it post on Friday. You know, I actually I come home on Friday after work and did it Friday night and then posted it. It was like an hour late being posted. And that's because I just could not. I couldn't get that out of my head. I couldn't get the enemy out of my head. But my but I am submissive to my husband. All big decisions we make go through him, and what he decides is the final thing. And if you know me, that would not have ever crossed somebody's mind. And it's not that it's submission. It's not that it's submission, right? I feel safe enough to do it. Yeah, because of his love for you. I feel that he's going to do what's best for me because I'm going to do it out of emotion. And so, you know, they talk about submission in the Bible. It's not submission. It's love. It really is love, right? And I have an opinion, right? And he doesn't dismiss my opinion. It's not that kind of submission, but it's...

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It's just order and leading. I mean, God designed it that way. Yeah. You become one flesh. You put two heads on one body. It becomes a monster. Just to go back and touch on this, you said there's no way. You kind of looked at me when you said that about 10 years ago about submitting to your husband. Actually, I knew for a fact that when you married Jeremy Mooney, that y'all were going to seek the Lord together. And the reason why I know that you were going to be submissive to him is because just like how these verses are for the married woman, it's also for the single woman. You were already doing that with Jesus. I was. You were already surrendering things as he was revealing stuff and submitting to his lead in your life. And whether you got into performance mode, like we talked about earlier, whatever it was, you were already in that process. You're just doing it in a different process and a different way. to what God gave you. And He gave you that leading and that safety so you could have that extension of His love. It's almost like God...